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		<title>By: The Edge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; link feast 3-3-10</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Edge &#187; Blog Archive &#187; link feast 3-3-10</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: tito</title>
		<link>http://www.puppetmastertrading.com/blog/2008/07/14/to-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>tito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have no idea what a return - the boy was nearly 4.5 kilos at birth!

I certainly agree with you re: the risk-free rate used in sharpe when comparing different strategies. But if one is using sharpe to compare different iterations of a strategy as it is being developed, it surely doesn’t matter which value is used. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have no idea what a return &#8211; the boy was nearly 4.5 kilos at birth!</p>
<p>I certainly agree with you re: the risk-free rate used in sharpe when comparing different strategies. But if one is using sharpe to compare different iterations of a strategy as it is being developed, it surely doesn’t matter which value is used.</p>
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		<title>By: Didier B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Didier B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi tito,

I am glad to hear such a good news! It seems like your 9 months investment has grown really well ; )

Thanks for the sheet I see why we have got slight differences now.
For the annualized return, I was using a rolling geometric mean which is slightly different to the approach you are using.
Anyway thinking about the slippage I was wondering whether in this particular case, it was not reduced to a minimum since we would not put any limit to the buy order at the closing and a not limit sell at the opening (in its most simplistic approach)

About the risk free I am not entirely convinced because when one has to compute the sharpe ratio over a certain time period, say your annualized return in 200X was 10% but if for that year, the risk free rate was say 8% it is not the same as a 10% when the risk free is 2%. Of course in our countries with low inflation rates (for the last decade at least) this is not much of a problem but could well be in the future or if you have to transpose your sharpe ratio metric for other countries.
Just my 2cents thoughts

Many Thanks,
Didier</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi tito,</p>
<p>I am glad to hear such a good news! It seems like your 9 months investment has grown really well ; )</p>
<p>Thanks for the sheet I see why we have got slight differences now.<br />
For the annualized return, I was using a rolling geometric mean which is slightly different to the approach you are using.<br />
Anyway thinking about the slippage I was wondering whether in this particular case, it was not reduced to a minimum since we would not put any limit to the buy order at the closing and a not limit sell at the opening (in its most simplistic approach)</p>
<p>About the risk free I am not entirely convinced because when one has to compute the sharpe ratio over a certain time period, say your annualized return in 200X was 10% but if for that year, the risk free rate was say 8% it is not the same as a 10% when the risk free is 2%. Of course in our countries with low inflation rates (for the last decade at least) this is not much of a problem but could well be in the future or if you have to transpose your sharpe ratio metric for other countries.<br />
Just my 2cents thoughts</p>
<p>Many Thanks,<br />
Didier</p>
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		<title>By: tito</title>
		<link>http://www.puppetmastertrading.com/blog/2008/07/14/to-dream/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>tito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Didier,

Thanks for your kindly comments. Sorry for the delay in responding, but I’ve been sidetracked by a happy family event - the birth of our first child!

I’ve updated the post to include an excel97-2003 copy of the workbook - hopefully it makes sense to you and isn’t too ridden with errors.

I consider this a “study” rather than a strategy - I’ve calculated no fees, comm.s or slippage in this sample. Within StratBox I provide a variety of ways to deal with these factors and I touched on the issue a bit in my May 6th post (”quantifying friction”), but will revisit it again in the coming weeks as it’s an interesting and important part of the puzzle. I also should be able to quantify what I’ve actually been slipping on some of my production strats for illustrative purposes.

For the risk-free rate, I used 5% in this workbook, but that value can be adjusted. For studies like this, I really don’t think it matters much and will use a random value from 0-5% depending on mood, position of planets etc. For a bank it makes sense to use the appropriate interbank rate (eg, libor) and for a retail investor it probably makes sense to use the rate your broker pays you on deposits, a cd rate or something similar. For its use in characterizing a risk-adjusted measure of returns, I don’t think it really matters at all.

Best regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Didier,</p>
<p>Thanks for your kindly comments. Sorry for the delay in responding, but I’ve been sidetracked by a happy family event &#8211; the birth of our first child!</p>
<p>I’ve updated the post to include an excel97-2003 copy of the workbook &#8211; hopefully it makes sense to you and isn’t too ridden with errors.</p>
<p>I consider this a “study” rather than a strategy &#8211; I’ve calculated no fees, comm.s or slippage in this sample. Within StratBox I provide a variety of ways to deal with these factors and I touched on the issue a bit in my May 6th post (”quantifying friction”), but will revisit it again in the coming weeks as it’s an interesting and important part of the puzzle. I also should be able to quantify what I’ve actually been slipping on some of my production strats for illustrative purposes.</p>
<p>For the risk-free rate, I used 5% in this workbook, but that value can be adjusted. For studies like this, I really don’t think it matters much and will use a random value from 0-5% depending on mood, position of planets etc. For a bank it makes sense to use the appropriate interbank rate (eg, libor) and for a retail investor it probably makes sense to use the rate your broker pays you on deposits, a cd rate or something similar. For its use in characterizing a risk-adjusted measure of returns, I don’t think it really matters at all.</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
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		<title>By: Didier B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Didier B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I have been reading your blog and even though I am not part of the financial market world at all, it has been very interesting!

Trying to recompute your figures I came up with a slightly lower return for the SPY (with 10.64% annualized return at the end of 17/07/2008) while near exactly the same volatility (which I computed using the log return method).
I did it on the bel20 index (belgian index) and came up with the same results with a 10.79% annualized return and a 8.94% volatility

I am just wondering what’s the impact of the fees on the return do you have a rule of thumb?

Another question: which fixed income rate did you use to compute the sharpe? I used the 6 months CD rate but I don’t now whether it is too cautious or not?

And last but not least, would it be possible to have an excel 2000 compatible version of the file?

Thanks,
Didier </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I have been reading your blog and even though I am not part of the financial market world at all, it has been very interesting!</p>
<p>Trying to recompute your figures I came up with a slightly lower return for the SPY (with 10.64% annualized return at the end of 17/07/2008) while near exactly the same volatility (which I computed using the log return method).<br />
I did it on the bel20 index (belgian index) and came up with the same results with a 10.79% annualized return and a 8.94% volatility</p>
<p>I am just wondering what’s the impact of the fees on the return do you have a rule of thumb?</p>
<p>Another question: which fixed income rate did you use to compute the sharpe? I used the 6 months CD rate but I don’t now whether it is too cautious or not?</p>
<p>And last but not least, would it be possible to have an excel 2000 compatible version of the file?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Didier</p>
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