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		<title>By: Introducing: The Slippage Project &#124; System Trading with Woodshedder</title>
		<link>http://www.puppetmastertrading.com/blog/2008/08/01/execution-quality-at-the-open-close/comment-page-1/#comment-8081</link>
		<dc:creator>Introducing: The Slippage Project &#124; System Trading with Woodshedder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over at Hack the Market wrote about a similar project where he logged roughly 850 trades, and saw a price improvement of  .04% on the trades where he [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tito</title>
		<link>http://www.puppetmastertrading.com/blog/2008/08/01/execution-quality-at-the-open-close/comment-page-1/#comment-3170</link>
		<dc:creator>tito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 12:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you share some details on those feeds as others may find it useful?

Sorry, I don&#039;t know of papers that specifically address market impact on the open or close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you share some details on those feeds as others may find it useful?</p>
<p>Sorry, I don&#8217;t know of papers that specifically address market impact on the open or close.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric D</title>
		<link>http://www.puppetmastertrading.com/blog/2008/08/01/execution-quality-at-the-open-close/comment-page-1/#comment-3165</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 10:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tito - Thanks for the response. I found several data feeds that do what I need. 

I have some Matlab code written to evaluate the order execution on MOC orders as well as some Opening Gap entries. I think the bigger challenge for me will be to evaluate how to handle MOO &amp; MOC entries in many instruments. Specifically, I would like to be able to say &#039;my desired order size will move the market up to reduce my potential profit by x.x%, therefore I should reduce my share size and increase the number of instruments I am trading&#039;. Have you found any academic or other papers that go into this concept at all? I haven&#039;t found too much so far in my search.

Regards,
Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tito &#8211; Thanks for the response. I found several data feeds that do what I need. </p>
<p>I have some Matlab code written to evaluate the order execution on MOC orders as well as some Opening Gap entries. I think the bigger challenge for me will be to evaluate how to handle MOO &amp; MOC entries in many instruments. Specifically, I would like to be able to say &#8216;my desired order size will move the market up to reduce my potential profit by x.x%, therefore I should reduce my share size and increase the number of instruments I am trading&#8217;. Have you found any academic or other papers that go into this concept at all? I haven&#8217;t found too much so far in my search.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Eric</p>
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		<title>By: tito</title>
		<link>http://www.puppetmastertrading.com/blog/2008/08/01/execution-quality-at-the-open-close/comment-page-1/#comment-3136</link>
		<dc:creator>tito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 14:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric,

Sorry for the delay in responding... I only just noticed these comments.  I&#039;m not aware of any &quot;retail level&quot; feeds that provide this level of detail, but I&#039;d expect they exist.  The NYSE&#039;s TAQ data certainly can be combed to glean this data though the cost is ~$1K/month and the real cost is hidden in managing the mass of data.

I&#039;d expect that any feed that accurately provides the executing exchange should be adequate as the correct MOO price can be determined where the trade is the first of the day on the &quot;listing&quot; exchange and the MOC price can be similarly determined by finding the last trade of the day from the listing exchange.  Yahoo&#039;s data is accurate for the MOC but not the MOO as they seem to be interpreting the first price of the day as the first price after 9:30am on any exchange.  

I believe this explains the discrepancy I&#039;d detailed in this post.  

Figuring out, for any given feed, if you&#039;re getting the right MOO &amp; MOC prices is easy enough as you just need to trade on the open and close and compare the prices you got to the prices your feed provides.  

As for market impact, we never trade more than an analysis of recent MOO/MOC volumes suggests we can reasonably get away with...

Best,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>Sorry for the delay in responding&#8230; I only just noticed these comments.  I&#8217;m not aware of any &#8220;retail level&#8221; feeds that provide this level of detail, but I&#8217;d expect they exist.  The NYSE&#8217;s TAQ data certainly can be combed to glean this data though the cost is ~$1K/month and the real cost is hidden in managing the mass of data.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d expect that any feed that accurately provides the executing exchange should be adequate as the correct MOO price can be determined where the trade is the first of the day on the &#8220;listing&#8221; exchange and the MOC price can be similarly determined by finding the last trade of the day from the listing exchange.  Yahoo&#8217;s data is accurate for the MOC but not the MOO as they seem to be interpreting the first price of the day as the first price after 9:30am on any exchange.  </p>
<p>I believe this explains the discrepancy I&#8217;d detailed in this post.  </p>
<p>Figuring out, for any given feed, if you&#8217;re getting the right MOO &#038; MOC prices is easy enough as you just need to trade on the open and close and compare the prices you got to the prices your feed provides.  </p>
<p>As for market impact, we never trade more than an analysis of recent MOO/MOC volumes suggests we can reasonably get away with&#8230;</p>
<p>Best,</p>
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		<title>By: Eric D</title>
		<link>http://www.puppetmastertrading.com/blog/2008/08/01/execution-quality-at-the-open-close/comment-page-1/#comment-1402</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you found any more information on this? I am still working on this strategy &amp; am wondering how accurate the data published in retail level data feeds is. I have investigated the concept a bit and found that the feeds are said to be inaccurate as they generally use the first trade as the open price instead of the primary market opening cross.

Do you know of any retail level data feeds that provide the primary exchange&#039;s opening price?

Regards,
Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you found any more information on this? I am still working on this strategy &amp; am wondering how accurate the data published in retail level data feeds is. I have investigated the concept a bit and found that the feeds are said to be inaccurate as they generally use the first trade as the open price instead of the primary market opening cross.</p>
<p>Do you know of any retail level data feeds that provide the primary exchange&#8217;s opening price?</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Eric D</title>
		<link>http://www.puppetmastertrading.com/blog/2008/08/01/execution-quality-at-the-open-close/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply, I would certainly appreciate any updates. I am working on a long/short strategy that exclusively uses MOOs &amp; MOCs and have not been able to find too much data on execution quality for these order types. 

Also, I suspect your trade samples include trades with much higher quantities than a retail account. Do you feel this has an impact on the results? I know that one will incur more liquidity costs as the trade size goes up, but have been unable to quantify it. 

Regards,
Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply, I would certainly appreciate any updates. I am working on a long/short strategy that exclusively uses MOOs &amp; MOCs and have not been able to find too much data on execution quality for these order types. </p>
<p>Also, I suspect your trade samples include trades with much higher quantities than a retail account. Do you feel this has an impact on the results? I know that one will incur more liquidity costs as the trade size goes up, but have been unable to quantify it. </p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Market-on-Open Order Definition - Backtesting Blog: A Private Trader&#8217;s Resource for Strategy Development</title>
		<link>http://www.puppetmastertrading.com/blog/2008/08/01/execution-quality-at-the-open-close/comment-page-1/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Market-on-Open Order Definition - Backtesting Blog: A Private Trader&#8217;s Resource for Strategy Development</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Several traders report that live MOO orders don&#8217;t always execute at the published open prices.   Read a trader complain of worse prices here, and a professional find better prices here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Several traders report that live MOO orders don&#8217;t always execute at the published open prices.   Read a trader complain of worse prices here, and a professional find better prices here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Market-on-Close Definition - Backtesting Blog: A Private Trader&#8217;s Resource for Strategy Development</title>
		<link>http://www.puppetmastertrading.com/blog/2008/08/01/execution-quality-at-the-open-close/comment-page-1/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Market-on-Close Definition - Backtesting Blog: A Private Trader&#8217;s Resource for Strategy Development</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a professional&#8217;s report here that live MOC orders often execute at the published closing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tito</title>
		<link>http://www.puppetmastertrading.com/blog/2008/08/01/execution-quality-at-the-open-close/comment-page-1/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>tito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Eric.

Good question.  I haven&#039;t updated these figures since I wrote this but have thousands more trades of data... one of these days I&#039;ll update the study and post the results.  I expect the MOCs to continue to show near 100% performance, but it will be interesting to see how the MOOs have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Eric.</p>
<p>Good question.  I haven&#8217;t updated these figures since I wrote this but have thousands more trades of data&#8230; one of these days I&#8217;ll update the study and post the results.  I expect the MOCs to continue to show near 100% performance, but it will be interesting to see how the MOOs have done.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric D</title>
		<link>http://www.puppetmastertrading.com/blog/2008/08/01/execution-quality-at-the-open-close/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog, I have been following it for a few months now. 

Just a quick question for you - Have these numbers been updated since Aug 1st? I was curious as to whether or not they changed in the past few months due to the increase in volatility.

Regards,
Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog, I have been following it for a few months now. </p>
<p>Just a quick question for you &#8211; Have these numbers been updated since Aug 1st? I was curious as to whether or not they changed in the past few months due to the increase in volatility.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Eric</p>
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